Clean Out Your Life Closet

Interview Episode with Corbie Mitleid 2

Corbie: [: 00:00:00

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: And realize that it's, it's the tower card in tarot. The tower card everybody looks at as doom, gloom, and destruction. But I don't. I say, look, it's the imploding sports stadium card. You know, if the Yankees wanna build a new stadium, they gotta blow up the old one first and clear the ground, and that's what we're doing.

Laurin: Hello friends, and welcome to Curiously Wise. I am Laurin Wittig. I am your host, and today I have a guest with me who I've had on the podcast before and we had such a good time that we decided to come back and do it again. So welcome, Corbie Mitleid. I'm so happy to have you here and looking forward to today's conversation.

Corbie: It's great to be back, Laurin.

n: So today we're gonna talk [: 00:01:00

Corbie: I'll choose a small a 30 second because I've got two of them.

Laurin: It's a lot.

Corbie: It is. I have been doing metaphysical work, psychic medium work full time since 9-11, but started it when I was a kid in high school. Certified tarot master, past life specialist, psychic, medium channel, all that. Clean out your life closet specifically came because of a wildly dysfunctional childhood. Everybody else was medical there I was. Actress, writer.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: And so, my life path was very much crisis to crisis to crisis. Rape, poverty, abuse, divorce, cancer. But it gave me the tools to be a deeply compassionate, not quite as self-referential. Intuitive counselor.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: And the reason I [: 00:02:00

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: You're the only one who can take your life and make it meaningful. I can maybe give you a couple tools.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. All right, and we're bringing this out right after New Year's, so this is a perfect time of year to sort of think about where you've been and where you want to go and, and…

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: And then this book will help you kind of figure out some tools. Maybe how to implement whatever it is that you wanna bring into the world this year. Is that a good, good way to put it? Okay. All right. So, the book is called Clean Out Your Life Closet, which I love. I, I think I, every six months or so, I have to stop and do some more of that.

Corbie: Yes, yes. I, I actually took a poll with about six titles. And everyone was like, this one, this one. So, it was pretty obvious.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a great [: 00:03:00

Corbie: It started with my very first self-help book, which I read when I was 13.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

is far out. Remember this is: 1968

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: When I was reading other books, currently there's one that says you have to get up every morning, first thing and do yoga and avoid food with leptin. Now, if you're a single mom with two kids and two jobs in Milwaukee, you are not gonna do that.

Laurin: Yeah, yeah.

: So I chose to write a book [: 00:04:00

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Where there are questions that you must answer from your own life. You can't turn to page 82 and crib the answers.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: So by the end of your reading this book, even if your best friend reads it at the same time, each of you will have a different personal manual based on what your life experience is.

Laurin: Oh, I love that. I love that. I think that's so empowering when you can dig into what is personal to you. And, and I, I'm a strong believer in writing things down because I often don't know what I'm thinking or feeling until it either comes out of my mouth or out of my fingers in one way or another.

I just don't, I'm not even as introspective as I am, I, I have a hard time sort of grabbing those sorts of things.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: So I'm a long time [: 00:05:00

Corbie: It really is. It really is.

Laurin: Yeah. So I think that's a very powerful tool for people. And very very empowering cuz it lets you take your, your power back. It lets you be the one to, to look in.

Corbie: One of the taglines for it is when you are in charge of your changes, all possibilities are yours as well.

Laurin: Yes.

Corbie: Because no one's telling you your changes are wrong. It's all up to you,

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: Please learn to trust yourself.

Laurin: And that's, yeah, I think that's like at the crux of so much growing up in our cultures as, as women and we, we distrust ourself. We're told so much of what we should look like, we should be, we should do, we should eat, drink, whatever.

s big white thing with shiny [: 00:06:00

You know, there's more in the big one than the little one. So, you reach for the big one and your mother goes bad and you're selfish, so you're not even gonna get a cookie. And she gives it to her little brother who eats it at you, and then she compounds it with, besides grocery cookies that get fat. And nobody likes a fat girl.

Do you really want the cookie to the point where we are emotionally bludgeon? So that by the time we're six or seven, we were taught if we want anything, we're wrong, we're bad, we'll be punished, and we have to watch somebody else get it.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Which is why so many women, forties, fifties, sixties, I don't know what I want. They're terrified of wanting.

Laurin: Yes.

Corbie: There's nothing wrong with it.

Laurin: Right, right. Yeah. I have totally experienced that.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

is okay for us, and it's so [: 00:07:00

Corbie: Our parents were so shoehorned into what was proper, that the idea of rebellion, individuality was to them a cancer.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: And you had to be stamp down. Today, we know better, but our generation is still growing up from that.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking back cuz my, I'm a little bit younger and my parents, my mom…

Corbie: That's not hard.

Laurin: It's only a little bit, only a few years.

Corbie: Okay.

Laurin: But I mean, I was growing up in the sixties and, and early seventies were sort of my, you know, formative years.

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And I always thought, well, I should, I'm supposed to be an activist, but that's not me, you know? So, so it's even, even with families that were a little more, you know looking forward culturally, there still was this, there, there were these boxes that we were supposed to be in. Mine were a little different than, than some others, but it's still, this is the box you're supposed to be in and unless you're in this box, you know, and for me, that included being the top of my class and going to a great college, all these things. If you weren't in that box, then you, they weren't proud of you.

Corbie: Not at all.

Laurin: All right, so let's get into the book, because now that we know what the problem is for most of us.

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: Let's look at some of the stuff in the book. So, when you talk about life closet, explain that to us a little bit.

is to clean out our closets. [: 00:09:00

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: But our life closet is full of things like needing to get clear. Learning to adapt. Learning how to simplify and making friends with stress.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: And these are not things we are taught, so I go through it in each part of the book and they build on each other.

The first part, part one is on clarity, and I always see life as a three-legged stool. If you get clear on your purpose, get clear in relationships, and get clear with spirit, you can go anywhere and do anything. Absolutely.

Laurin: Yeah,

Corbie: Then, then it's life is a tiny house. You know, there are finite things on earth and we've been living like that isn't the case.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Which is why all of us are stressed, all of us are in debt, and we have to learn to simplify, you know? Yeah. Everybody needs their own toothbrush, but do they all need their own copies of Harry Potter? No.

Laurin: Right. [: 00:10:00

Corbie: Then there's adaptability going with a flow. The most important chapter probably in the whole book is one called, When Perfect Destroys Good, which looks at my father, my mother, and my stepmother Shirley, whom he married after my mother died very young of a heart attack and how that affected me.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: How I looked at myself, how I changed how I looked at myself. And then the other part is making friends with stress because we're all gonna have it, but there's good stress and bad stress.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: So, when you learn stress as mission creates stress as the shot across the bow and went to stand your ground, you can make it work for you instead of against you.

Laurin: Okay, so let's start right there, because that's something that I personally struggle with a lot. I get overwhelmed, stressed.

Corbie: Yeah. Yeah.

d and stressed, and then I'm [: 00:11:00

Corbie: Got it.

Laurin: Or avoid or you know. So, give us an idea of what, what one or two tools for making friends with stress, or actually, let's start with what's the difference between good stress and bad stress? Because in our society we just say stress.

Corbie: Right. Good stress are things like when you're about to start a race, when you're going into an interview for a job you're excited about, when you are stepping on stage in a play. When you're working on, on your MCATs, you know you wanna go to med school. That's good stress.

Bad stress is when we say no, when we should, you know, say yes and yes when we should have said no. It is when we are guilty if we don't take on what everyone else wants us to do.

It's when we put ourselves last. It's when we double think everything. Those are the times when we just pile stress on ourselves and it's like so much mud.

Laurin: So, is there a [: 00:12:00

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: So, let's do the scenario of you're under bad stress. And, which I think is probably the predominant one I know of my life that's been the predominant one. All the shows and aughts and musts and, you know, those things as opposed to the things in the flow.

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: So, what's a tool that I could have used since I've passed that part of my life for the most part.

Corbie: Okay.

Laurin: To recognize, and deal with, or make friends with bad stuff.

Corbie: Well, first, first thing is you get up and move. Most of our stress happens because we're at our desk.

Laurin: Yes.

Corbie: But you get up, you walk. I don't care if you, if it's a bad thing, you can't go, just go into your kitchen and open and close every cabinet drawer. Breathe.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

on if you've got one. I have [: 00:13:00

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: And when I'm busy, schnoodling, prawn, I can't do anything that big, sip something warm and comforting you know, coffee or tea or whatever you need.

Find music that works for you. I know with me there are certain artists Anugama or I go onto YouTube and find the ambient mandala or fractal things that just have music, and I give myself five or 10 minutes just to get involved in that. And the other thing is to always remember to ask yourself three questions.

What am I stressed about? Why am I stressed about that? And the question we never ask ourselves, what do I think would happen if I stopped being stressed about that? You're allowed to. You know, it's, it's like being a happy Martian detective, and that means being absolutely free of any judgements about what this should be like.

And the [: 00:14:00

And he might get a better answer cuz maybe your contact lenses are bugging you or maybe you have allergies or maybe there's an emotional basis.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: There are so many ways we can unplug from the stress when we get out of it. Get off the hamster wheel for a minute and look at it.

Laurin: Hmm.

Corbie: It's like when you're really depressed, the visualization that I give people is I want you to imagine yourself at the bottom of the pit, but you look up and you can see the edge of the pit in the sky. It's not encompassing. There is a way out.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

and see what they can do for [: 00:15:00

Laurin: Yeah. Perspective is so powerful. And if we to get, I just like right here in front of our own face and we can't see past that.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: It does, it limits us in a lot of ways. I talk about perspective a lot with my clients. And it's been one of my big lessons on my spiritual journey, like, which is just like, you know, pretend like you're a hawk and look down and see what's going on. You know, really.

Corbie: Exactly.

Laurin: Yes. Yeah,

Corbie: Exactly.

Laurin: So, I often call it the hawk’s eye view. I need the hawk’s eye view. Let me, let me back out of this and look at it. Yeah.

Corbie: What I give people is the exercise called, The Deity on The Mountain. Imagine that you are a God or a goddess, and you are 50 feet tall and you are standing on top of a mountain that overlooks a little village and you see the births and the deaths and the alliances and the squabbles, and the marriages and the divorces, but you only see it as patterns cuz you're not in the middle of it.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: So again, objectivity is your gift.

Laurin: Yeah. [: 00:16:00

Corbie: Yes. The adventure pages.

Laurin: The adventure pages. Because, I've been a journaler through the bad times of my life, for sure. Not as much during the good times, but during the bad times. It's like I gotta get it outta my head and on paper so I can see it, but then I can also go back. And I don't do this often, but I can go back and look through it, and that's where I start to see patterns.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: You know, so it's very helpful. I, I find to have some tool like that that gets it outta your head, not where you can actually see it. Yeah. So,

Corbie: To, to give a quick example.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Just three questions at the end of the chapter. Why Perfect isn't what you think it is.

Laurin: Yes, that's good.

about the situation change? [: 00:17:00

Laurin: Hmm.

Corbie: Like I said, it's not on page 82. It gives you a chance to look at your own life and completely reframe it.

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. Those are really good. Those are really good. Alright, so talk to us a little bit about one of the things you talk about is simplicity.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: And I, I cannot tell you how much crap I have pulled out of my house in the last several years. Now some of it was cuz my kids left home and left all their crap here for me to deal with.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: Some of it is my mom passed and I had her stuff to, to deal with.

Corbie: Yeah.

Laurin: But I've also, I, I just cleaned out my closet. When I change my clothes around for the seasons, I always do a clean out and I feel so much lighter when I do that. But we, as a, as a culture in the US I'm sure it's other places too, are collectors of stuff.

Corbie: Right.

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Corbie: Well, you look at old stories you tell yourself, first of all, and you say, is that still me? It's, I'm sorry, but my father wanted me to be a lawyer. It's not gonna happen.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Okay. It, I often say everyone in my family was medical. I could have danced on the table and recited Shakespeare and they wouldn't have got me.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: So, you just, you learn the lessons, then you throw the map, but you thank them before you throw the map.

Laurin: Yes.

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We all grow. Bless and release. We all have those people that, you know, why did they do this to me? What? Bless and release.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Okay.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: My best friend for many years, just one day crossed me out of her apartment and ghosted.

Laurin: Hmm.

Corbie: I'm never gonna figure out why.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: But if she hadn't done that, would I still be the person I am now? Maybe not.

Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: I dunno.

Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: Change without condemning. You know, there's nothing worse than a reformed smoker was the old saying. So, if you know that behavior you did before was toxic.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Don't be as, I call it, wiki, wooer than thou. I, I am so clear. I am enlightened. She's not. Oh, then know you are not.

Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: I'm sorry.

Laurin: Yeah.

hose are the people who say, [: 00:20:00

Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: You have, and you what you just do? We have to look at this as, as humor. Remember we're just a part that our soul is playing. The soul comes back time and time again. But Laurin and Corbie, we are one and done.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: And when we cross over, what the soul keeps are all the good things about us. The example I use is my father, he was my best friend. He died 20 years ago. He was a fabulous cardiologist. If I'm doing medical intuitive work, he'll come in.

Laurin: Mm.

Corbie: He still puns terribly. Can't that. He is kind. He is compassionate. He is a medical genius.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: What is totally gone because it was only needed to learn things here on earth. His anxiety, his depression, and his hypochondria.

Laurin: Hmm.

Corbie: So realize even if somebody on earth is emotionally stunted or cruel.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: That is the part they're playing.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. [: 00:21:00

Corbie: And their soul hangs it up in the closet when it's done.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: So, they are not the bad person. It's the lesson that you needed.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: My mother was an alcoholic, cross addicted with barbiturates who agreed with me in our pre-work planning session that she would behave toward me in a certain way, so I'd learn my lessons.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: But our souls are up there watching eating popcorn together.

Laurin: Yeah, it's, it's interesting because I had a narcissistic mother who ended up with, you know, 10 plus years of dementia at the end of her life and…

Corbie: mm-hmm.

Laurin: We had a very less than happy relationship. I think she thought it was grand. I thought it was awful, and I had a really hard time forgiving her for that.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: But it did help. At the near the end of her life. It helped me to know that she was never gonna change. That was just, that was what she was here to be and to do and…

Corbie: mm-hmm.

le to do that. She came back [: 00:22:00

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: And her energy was so sweet and light and beautiful and I knew it was her, but it was like, you should have been this way when you’re on here. Now I know in hindsight that I am not, I am the person I am now because of having to learn those lessons and go through those trials.

Corbie: Exactly, exactly.

Laurin: It's made me a really good advocate and healer for, not healer, but you know, facilitator of healing for a lot of people, cuz they're attracted to me. I have a similar experience. I've been through it and I have become much wiser because of it and…

Corbie: mm-hmm.

Laurin: So I, I, I think a lot of those, you know, people are attracted to us because of the paths we've taken and we can be a better counselor to them.

Corbie: I, I often say if I was a size two blonde with a trust fund and no problems, I would have no basis.

Laurin: Yeah,

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Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: And I will not judge.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: Cause they're afraid of being judged.

Laurin: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that understanding that we make a contract before we come in a life plan to learn certain things, to clear certain things. It definitely helps to understand that it's still hard to go through it, but it's, gives you that perspective. A little bit of perspective that you can pull out into.

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: I wish I had known it sooner.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: Because I didn't come into this until, you know, my, my what? Fifties. That's really, I think useful information for people to know that. Yeah, it's just a role that we're playing and I have to remember that with the broader culture right now because I know we are clearing so much crap out of our, cumulative life closets, but it's so hard to, be present in. So…

through some very, very dark [: 00:24:00

Laurin: Yes.

Corbie: But we like workers, we volunteered to be here to heal, to bandage.

Laurin: mm-hmm.

Corbie: To hold up a light, to feed. To let them know that the darkness is not all there is.

Laurin: Yes. Oh, that, Hmm. Ooh, that one brought tears to my eyes. But you're right. It's, I keep, I keep saying to other spiritual people that we need to be the light.

We need to be the light, and we can't get dragged down into the darkness. So, thank you for that reminder. That's, yeah. That may be the most important part of this conversation today, because it is, it is feeling very dark and we have to move through it with as much grace as we can.

Corbie: And this is not a time to think love and light, love and light, love and light. This is a time to look at reality.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

ard in tarot. The tower card [: 00:25:00

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's where I, I keep reminding myself old things are coming up so we can clear it out and we can make room for, you know, we can finish the work on that so, we can make room for something better.

Corbie: We have to. Yeah. And you know, we may not live to see it, but that's okay.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: We will play our part as we have to play our part. And for those who don't know, this is what the tower card looks like. Yeah. Clear your stadium.

Laurin: I like that interpretation of it. I, I'm not super familiar with Tarot. I've had some readings over the, over the years, but so often I would get kind of rattled by the readings I got, and I, I love that. That's really taking it.

And it's gonna be hard. [: 00:26:00

Corbie: Yes. That's, that's why I always tell Rookies death, the devil and the tower. If they come up, I'll tell you what they mean, cuz it ain't that.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Corbie: You know, they think death card, they're gonna be hit by a bus on Tuesday. No, no, no, no.

Laurin: Right. Right. Yeah. It's the end of something. So, something new can be born,

Corbie: Death of an old way of life. Death of what's about grown, death of what was never you in the first place.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I think this is a really good message for the New Year. I really do. Okay, so there's another area that I just wanted to dive into a little bit with you, and that's adaptability. I think this is a skill we're all gonna need coming up.

Corbie: Yes, yes.

Laurin: I mean, we need it anyway, but I think it's gonna be a real strong tool for us, A real strong skill.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: Adaptability. [: 00:27:00

Corbie: Yes.

for all of us in this year of: 2023

Corbie: Well, there's always going with the flow. There's always realizing perfection isn't what you think it is. But what I'm going to say for a fast tool is use the idea of the examined life. You've got a situation you really don't want, but you know you can't get out of it.

s. The last one was a second [: 00:28:00

We're taking the rack, we're taking the ovaries, and you're going from this Dolly Parton figure to a fat fire plug with permanent side effects in three weeks. Suck it up. And I had just been married 18 months before.

Laurin: Oh gosh.

Corbie: So, I had to find three reasons to be okay with it. Number one, you don't have them. You can't get cancer there. Number two, the top half is not gonna get slammed in the refrigerator door at the doctor's every year, and every woman listening knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Laurin: That would be good.

Corbie: Implants means I'll be perky till I'm 93. Okay. So, I got out of Massachusetts General after a double mastectomy in reconstruction in three days.

but I married you, not them. [: 00:29:00

Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: That's adaptability my kids.

Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: You're not going to avoid the really awful stuff, but how you determine to walk through it is the way to handle it.

Laurin: Yeah. There's, I've, I've seen articles over the years about how people say in, in your situation there or in hospital those who have a, an optimistic point of view.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: Heal faster and live longer.

Corbie: Yes. I have written an article called Being a co-conspirator is better than being a patient. Right. Then you are part of your healing.

Laurin: Right. Right. You're empowering your body to do what it's built to do, which is to come back to a sense of wellness and homeostasis, where everything's getting with it.

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: So that sense of adaptability to me is a lot of is the word optimism can come from…

Corbie: Yes.

you know, shitty times, you [: 00:30:00

Corbie: Yeah.

Laurin: It's something my husband was able to do for me a lot when our kids were young because I was an overwhelmed stay-at-home mom who never intended to be a stay-at-home mom, so I didn't have support structures and that kind of thing.

And we had a son who had severe health issues and I was constantly afraid he was gonna die, you know? But it was food allergies and it was asthma and we were able to manage it and my husband would go, you know, it's not cancer. We can deal with this, you know, and it was that perspective thing.

It totally flipped my thinking. It allowed me to step back and go, you know, you're right. This is not the worst possible scenario. It's actually one we can manage and, my son is and…

Corbie: And teach him to manage as he grows.

Laurin: We taught him to manage as he grows. I taught him a lot about being self-sufficient and self-caring.

ng out all those things that [: 00:31:00

We're doing okay. For me, that was a huge perspective switch, which allowed me to be more positive with myself and with my kids and less stress cuz I could opt out of that stress. I don't have to stress about the worst-case scenario cuz we're not there, we don't have that. So, it brought together all of those wonderful things.

I wasn't capable of doing it for myself at the time cuz I was sleep deprived and overwhelmed and, but he was able to do that for me. That's probably a role we have.

I could still taste. And so, [: 00:32:00

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: But I had friends that said, oh no, you have to keep testing every day because my daughter or my sister, they were fine for three days and then it was covid. Fine. You wanna try and put that in my brain, it's not gonna happen.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: I know my own body.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: I know how well I take care of it.

Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: And I'm already, you know, I, I was already carpet bombing it with Acadacia.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: I And all kinds of things, but they had to make sure that I had the same fear that they lived with.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: And I refuse it. Thank you for sharing. You may think that if you wish, but I'm over here.

Laurin: Yeah. I'm not taking it in.

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: Yeah. So, fear, I mean, and this is not necessarily part of your book, but I think it's part of the conversation we're having. Fear is so thick in our culture, and it's thick around the world and sometimes there's good reasons for it, but a lot of ours is being ginned up synthetically, I would say.

Corbie: The, the way [: 00:33:00

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: Full acceptance doesn't mean you accept it, you're gonna have Covid, but it means that you accept. Fine. I've got the crud right now. It is what it is. Let's see where we're going with it.

Laurin: Mm-hmm.

Corbie: I'm still working.

Laurin: Yeah. I like that. I remember in the early days of Covid, just going to the grocery store would wipe me out because the fear was so thick. You know, it was one of the few places people had to go.

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: And it was just, I would be wiped out for the rest of the day after I went.

Corbie: Oh, same. We would go at night, one half hour before the store closed and nobody was in there. And masked and gloved.

Laurin: Yes. Right. And then wiping everything down with the Clorox when you get home.

Corbie: It was, it was just nuts.

Laurin: Yeah.

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Laurin: Yeah.

Corbie: See the people who do need the help. Help where you can.

Laurin: Right.

Corbie: There's some news you need, but you don't need to buy into the 24/7 screed.

Laurin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Corbie: You were the only one responsible for how you feel. So, choose how you feel and who you feel that with.

Laurin: Mm. I love that. I think that's a great place to leave this today. So, show us your book so everybody knows what it looks like when they go to get it. Yep. Clean Out Your Life Closet. It's a, it's really quick read. I've read it and it's full of wisdom and tools and I think we're gonna need a lot of them in the coming years. Hopefully we can shorten that time period. But…

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Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. I love books because it's the closest we get to telepathy, you know?

Corbie: Mm-hmm.

Laurin: Ideas from my brain and the emotions with them come out through the book and into yours.

Corbie: Yes.

Laurin: And it's, it's magic just for that reason. So. All right. Well, I wanna thank you for being here. I, I appreciate you powering through the crud,

Corbie: Thank you.

d I hope you have a wonderful: 2023

Corbie: I'll take that in, friend. Thank you. And right back at you.

Laurin: Thank you for joining us today. I hope that this has been a meaningful conversation to you. I think there's a lot of good, juicy stuff here.

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