Pellowah Energy Technique: Radical Shifting of Consciousness with Catherine Llewellyn

Interview episode with Catherine Llewellyn

Catherine: [: 00:00:00

So that's why Pellowah is actually here, for that very same purpose that you just described. very much. Awakening of Humanity. So she then started running these workshops in Australia, training practitioners. And then she gets another tap on the shoulder and now you've got to start training teachers so other people can run the workshop.

Laurin: Hello, friends, [: 00:01:00

But I'm going to let Catherine introduce herself. So welcome to Curiously Wise, Catherine. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Catherine: Thank you, Laurin, and I'm really happy to be here all the way from Wales. Yeah, as we said, as we were chatting just now, if you invite me to talk about myself, you might have to shut me up in about three weeks time. So given that what we're talking about is our spiritual journey, I thought I'd say a little bit about that.

back and join all your other [: 00:02:00

You know, that's, that's pretty much my kind of perception of it. That said. In my life I've been in and out of feeling connected or less connected to my spiritual journey. So I would say my first memory was when my father, when I was, as soon as I could talk really, started talking to us about notions that really are spiritual, as in who are you what, why are you here what's the nature of existence, how do you know you didn't just pop into existence, but with all the memories.

are what you might call more [: 00:03:00

My next really strong exploration, spiritual exploration for me was in my late teens, using psychedelics, which a lot of us did. And we actually had a spiritual intent in doing it. We did also have fun and we did also do stupid things. However, there was definitely the spiritual intention of trying to uncouple ourselves from the belief But what we perceive as real is definitely real to shake ourselves loose, shake ourselves up a bit in order to try and clear our, our mind and our eyes and our perception so that we could perhaps be less, less run by our, our need to understand and our need to be right about things and so on.

an enlightenment intensive. [: 00:04:00

I can create my own life. providing I have the right kind of humility to do that, which is a really interesting juxtaposition, you know, that sense of destiny and the sense of humility together.

Laurin: Yes.

Catherine: you know, and I went on from there all through all of this, I was trying to learn and grow and experiment and practicing things in my own life.

, which is all about. Having [: 00:05:00

Laurin: Mm-Hmm?

Catherine: very almost parallel with that, I did my Reiki masters, which was a very powerful empowering experience and opened me up to all sorts of information from the universe. And then five or 10 years after that I did the five rhythms dance teacher training, which is also a highly spiritual practice with the body, using the body for our spiritual growth.

And then more recently in: 2018

Every single one of which is a triggers a transformation in me. Because if you're running a workshop that's about consciousness, that includes the consciousness of the facilitator.

Laurin: definitely. Yes.

Catherine: know, don't really get over yourself. So, those are some sort of highlights and milestones and it's all been wonderful.

s saying. So I'll stop, I'll [: 00:07:00

Laurin: Yeah, no, that's fascinating. I'm, I am a little jealous that you grew up in such an environment that where early on you were encouraged to explore the spiritual, not just the, how are you going to get yourself through through this human world in this lifetime, economically, financially, educationally, whatever.

I was very late to the, to the party, I'm afraid, but so, yeah, so it's really interesting that you grew up in a family. I would call it a hippie family. That's what we would have here. I have a brother who is, you know, was a hippie. He's much older than me and and they were very much into let's, let's explore the spiritual.

They did it a lot with drugs, but

Catherine: Well, this was sort of pre hippie. This was bohemian, what we called bohemian. So it's like pre hippie sort of arty, creative, non conformist, thinking for yourselves. Then the hippie thing came a bit later.

Laurin: Okay.

n the UK, we were behind the [: 00:08:00

I don't know if the bohemian thing crossed to the stays. It came from, it's a European thing

Laurin: yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. And the vibe in Europe is different. I, I've, I love being in Europe. I've been all over Europe. And I, I've never found a place I was uncomfortable. And I can't say that about the States. I, so I apologize to those listening in the States. I won't, I won't point anything out.

Okay. But it's it's, there's something very nurturing about the energy I find, especially in the British, in the British Isles and in the UK. That's, yeah, I got

Catherine: some and some. I think, you know, some and some, it depends where you go. Like anywhere, really, isn't it?

Laurin: And I do find that if I get out of the cities, that's much more that feeling, you know, the urban environments are, they're pretty much the same everywhere these days, it feels like, you know, so,

Catherine: Yeah, I agree.

ve some mystical places that [: 00:09:00

Catherine: 100%. Yes.

Laurin: All right. So thank you for taking us on that journey with you. I do want to talk about this idea of consciousness because I know all of your work revolves around consciousness. I suspect mine probably does too, but I've never looked at it that way. So I'm really curious about this. And so one of the things that I read in your profile is that when our consciousness shifts, everything else follows.

So let's start about talking about consciousness and what, how do you, how would you define that maybe, or explain it to somebody who had not really thought about what consciousness is?

finite. I think of a kind of [: 00:10:00

And you might reach a point where you think you know that person, you really know everything about that person. But then something happens and you discover that you don't know everything about that person. There's more to them. There's, there are surprises in that person left. There's always some new bit of magic or creativity or.

You know, I think one of the [: 00:11:00

And that's natural, it's part of our path. But actually those other two, to me, are far more interesting. You know, and so in a [00:12:00] way I would say consciousness is all one. And yet we also have our individual consciousness as well.

Laurin: Yeah. So I love this idea that as consciousness shifts, everything shifts. And cause I, I very much feel that I've, I've worked pretty hard over the last decade or so to, to, to do a lot of healing. So I, my vibration is higher and higher and I can feel that now there's a lightness that I've never really experienced in this, in this lifetime before.

But it's, thank you. And I, and I love, I love. This feeling of lightness, and I know that the lighter I feel, the better the people around me feel, the more impact I can have on people in a positive way or animals or plants or, you know, that consciousness is a thread through everything. I mean, I grew up with, with lots of pets, dogs and cats.

I never understood, but so I [: 00:13:00

You know, it's, I, I, I felt the energy of it and I, and I received information from it. And it was a life changing moment because it did really expand me out to that, to a real understanding, not, not just an intellectual understanding, but an experience of having a similar energy or I don't even know what to call it consciousness as a beautiful tree. It's that for me was a really life changing experience.

hat they're doing all of the [: 00:14:00

But yeah, those shifts in consciousness do open us to hearing and to receiving, and the receiving then, as you say, can then stimulate a further shift in consciousness. You know, I, I love the fact that every single shift. creates the space for the next shift.

Laurin: Yeah. I hadn't thought about it that way.

Catherine: You know, I, I've just I'm in a particularly blissed out state this week because I just ran a Pellowah workshop last weekend and I've run several of these now. And as I was saying to you in the conversation at the beginning, because, because it's about consciousness, the consciousness of the facilitator is also given a workout during the weekend.

egration period. And I don't [: 00:15:00

So whether it's as simple as finally reaching a place of being fully rested, really fully rested. And then opening one's eyes and seeing all the colors that are more vivid suddenly because we are rested. Or after someone's had, let's say, a chakra balancing or something like that, or some sort of energy treatment that brings them fully into their body, embodied and present in the moment.

the sounds of the birds and [: 00:16:00

And yet we're grounded so we're not. It doesn't make us vulnerable. It makes us. more tuned in. And that, and then we're much closer to the experience of the miracle of life, which is the greatest gift, of course. And then once we're in touch with that, everything else is a much more enjoyable experience.

And then when we have more imagination, we have more creativity, we're more flexible. We're also more clear about who we are and what we want and what we don't want. So,

Laurin: Yeah.

Catherine: and as you said, lightness, you know, that, that an increase in lightness. Helps us to, people talk about treading lightly on the earth, that feeling of treading lightly in life just gives us so much more scope and we're happier and you're quite right.

and everyone else is gifted [: 00:17:00

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. And it's just thinking about that, that lightness and that treading lightly, it, it does, it affects the people around you as, as a healer myself, every time I do a healing session for somebody else, whether it's Reiki or something, you know, more strange it, I, I get it too. And, you know, the, the healer gets healing during the healing session.

So it's, you know, it's and I know that as I've done that work, that's helped me, like you say, it, each of those little shifts have made it easier for the next one to happen and lifted me up for the next one.

Catherine: So the lightness, the lightness makes a difference and you notice that each shift makes space for the next one.

more expansive space for all [: 00:18:00

Catherine: that's exactly what happens.

Laurin: Okay, good. So, and I'm just, I don't, I don't want to talk politics, but the U. S. is chaotic and crazy and anxiety riddled right now. More so than usual, which is saying a lot for us. And 1 of the things I'm finding is that I can, I can keep a space between me and all the chaos. So that I can see more clearly, so I'm not lost in the anxiety and some of my friends think that I'm crazy for being Pollyanna ish.

But I'm able to go, you know, there's something good happening in all of this and I can see it. Whereas before all I could see was the chaos.

Catherine: Yes.

Laurin: And so I think that's, I always feel like I've lifted up. I call it the Hawke's eye view. You know, it's getting up way high and being able to see from a different perspective.

that different feeling about [: 00:19:00

Help others get to that place. The faster we'll shift the earth into a better place.

Catherine: 100%. Absolutely right.

Laurin: So that's, that's my calling right now is just, let's, how many people can we help lift? That's just, just lift them up. And that's, that comes in a lot of forms, a lot of different healing modalities, a lot of, you know, I've, I've talked to a couple of sound healers lately and, and you've got this other modality I had never heard of until you, the pillow, uh, and, and so there's just so many different ways to help people lift themselves up out of that anxiety and that mire.

Take care. And it seems like more and more every day, which is

e to talk a little bit about [: 00:20:00

Laurin: I would love that. Yes.

. for many years. And then in: 2003

And she got this very clear message that said, you now got to teach this to other people. And through a series of dreams and visions and so on, she received the information of how to train Pellowah practitioners. And that included a series of seven powerful symbols, and it included all of the information for the workshop that would be required for people to go through the attunements, level one and level two attunements.

needs a profound awakening, [: 00:21:00

So that's why Pellowah is actually here, for that very same purpose that you just described. very much. Awakening of Humanity. So she then started running these workshops in Australia, training practitioners. And then she gets another tap on the shoulder and now you've got to start training teachers so other people can run the workshop.

mutual friend was our Reiki [: 00:22:00

So we were all very close. We were having lunch, right? And I said to Julie, what have you been doing in Australia? You know, and I'm very glad you've come back.

Laurin: Yeah.

Catherine: Because in the UK, we think we own Julie because she's one of those amazing human beings. She's actually Australian. She lives in Australia, right?

And she said, I've been doing Palawa. I said, what's that? She said, it's it means radical shift in consciousness. I instantly, instantly got a massive yes all through my body and said, I want to do it. How do I do it? She said, well, it's a two day workshop. I looked at the third lady in the room and I could see on her face.

ing to move house and stress [: 00:23:00

And it was just the most beautiful experience of sitting in the golden energy for the two days, loved the attunements, loved the practice. And Pellowah is actually, it's an energy technique but unlike some of the energy techniques, it's, it's focus is consciousness specifically. So it's not on healing per se.

Laurin: Mm hmm.

Catherine: It's referred to as energy healing because that helps people get some idea of what they're, you know, embarking on, but it's designed to shift the consciousness. Which then will naturally have a knock on effect that is of a healing nature and whatever other shifts that person needs. So I've seen people receive pillower treatments.

ago, and I thought I'll just [: 00:24:00

Now, that's not because Pellowah is anything to do with the physicality of my body. It's because something happened in my consciousness that switched something on in my body and accelerated the healing.

Laurin: Yeah, yeah,

Catherine: That's what happened. So, and I've seen all sorts of examples like that, you know, so from unblocking me trying to move house, that was just sorted because my consciousness shifted

Laurin: Right.

Catherine: to healing insect

Laurin: Sleep nights.

almost like the the Pellowah [: 00:25:00

So the Pellowah comes down, interacts with that person's consciousness. They make a deal with each other. or below the conscious level as to what that person needs for their next shift, and then Pellowah delivers. The practitioner is outside the tube. They, they can't hear the conversation. They, they are unaware of the whole thing, but Pellowah is actually directing that practitioner to be moving physically as part of amplifying what Pellowah's doing,

Laurin: interesting.

Catherine: the practitioner has no idea why that movement's happening, what it means, what it's doing, and they will never know.

Laurin: How fascinating.

Catherine: So, you know, as a practitioner, you have to be quite disciplined. After you've given the treatment, you're not allowed to share about what it was like doing the treatment for them,

Laurin: Okay.

Catherine: [: 00:26:00

Laurin: Yeah.

Catherine: You must not give them information. You must not interpret their experience or give them advice about their experience.

You just get to shut up. And you warn them in advance so they don't feel abandoned.

Laurin: Right. Right.

Catherine: but it's, it's incredibly, it's a very powerful, very beautiful experience.

Laurin: Yeah. So, so I'm a Reiki master. You know, I've been trained to that level as well. Structurally, it sounds similar because you're working with energy and symbols and, and holding space for the energy to do its work. But the Reiki energy is more about the body for me. At least it seems it's more about the body.

Catherine: body and the aura,

Laurin: the, the whole body,

Catherine: the whole body. Yeah,

Laurin: and and this sounds very different.

the workshop as part of the [: 00:27:00

Laurin: Oh, wow.

Catherine: and the level two attunement is the equivalent of 10 level one.

Laurin: So you're, and you're doing all this in a weekend.

Catherine: yeah, you have to go through quite a few places if you like to get to readiness to receive the level two attunement and, and working with the symbols as part of that. You don't have to use the symbols when you're doing the treatments.

Laurin: Okay. Oh, I see.

Catherine: It's different from Reiki in that regard.

Laurin: Okay. All right. Very interesting. This is, this is yeah, blow in my mind because I like to, I like to learn new things.

Catherine: Yeah. Well, luckily for you and your listeners,

You can actually receive Pellowah distant and you can receive it when you're asleep.

Laurin: Oh, nice.

llowah exchanges. with other [: 00:28:00

So I'd be receiving when I was asleep

Laurin: huh.

Catherine: and they'd be receiving when they were asleep,

Laurin: Huh.

Catherine: which is great because your conscious mind and your ego are not at play. You wake up and you go, Oh, I've no idea what happened, but I'm not the same as I was when I

Laurin: Oh, how cool is that? This sounds,

Catherine: Yes. Yes. Hmm.

Laurin: this sounds I'm not sure effortless is the right word, but it's just so much of what I've been working on and what I work on with, with my clients at this point is healing the body so that the spirit can. You know, make itself known, I guess, or, or be more available.

e experience is very similar [: 00:29:00

And So I, you know, was at the end of my rope. And as so many of us do at that point, we looked outside the medical system and what else is out there. And I had done a good bit of work before I went to see this woman, but she, she cleared my allergies in an hour and she did it because she identified that.

I was afraid of everything in the world, everything, and the allergies were keeping me safe keeping me contained. And so then she worked with me to release those that beliefs and she really helped to move shift my consciousness around that. And I walked out of there without allergies and it's been six or eight years now.

are and how fast things can [: 00:30:00

Catherine: Yes.

Laurin: when you're in the right place with the right energy and, you know, and you're ready for it.

Catherine: That's right. So it's very, Pellowah has its own sort of natural sifting process, if you like, in the sense that if it's the right time for someone to engage with Pellowah, first of all, they will somehow get to hear about it. And second of all, they will notice they've heard about it and they will feel a pull towards it.

And then it's just a do they respond to that? When do they respond to that? Do they argue about it for five years in their head, or do they just grab it,

Laurin: Mm hmm.

Catherine: you know, and I've sat in circles, you know, like, when at the end of a whole session at the end of the circle, someone says, would anyone like to announce anything they're providing at the moment?

And I mentioned, I talked about Pellowah. You can literally see in the group. There are some people who literally did not hear it.

Laurin: Yeah.

Catherine: It just [: 00:31:00

Laurin: Yeah.

Catherine: and everything else in between, and it's great. So it, it, it, it just calls people in when it's the right time for them,

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating stuff. I love how these new modalities are coming, but they're, this one seems like it's like, you know much higher than the other modalities I've learned. It's, it's at a, it's aiming at consciousness

Catherine: I think, by the way, I do, I don't think any one of these is better or than the other.

Laurin: no, they're all.

Catherine: know, they have, they have different purposes and someone, let's say someone might do the PE workshop and come off it and realize. That they want to go into a coaching program or a therapy program because they need that talking support, like the amazing woman you described who helped you, or they might come at it and go, right, I need to pick up my Reiki work.

And that's what I want to be [: 00:32:00

Laurin: Yeah. Yeah,

Catherine: I mean, I would not be doing my podcast if it wasn't for Pellowah. I've had people for years telling me, you've got to do a podcast. You've got a great voice for a podcast. You've got to do a podcast. And I was, you do a podcast. It sounds like a lot of work for no money, right? But then after I did Pellowah, A, I managed to move house,

Laurin: remember.

Catherine: a new foundation, much more supportive and nourishing foundation, which enabled me to start evolving more powerfully in the next.

thing to do. And it was just [: 00:33:00

Laurin: hmm.

Catherine: You know, and recently when I ran the workshop in February, I got such a kick up the arse from Pellowah running that workshop.

I came out of it and developed a new workshop of my own, unique to me, because I was essentially told you've got to do this now. And it's got to be something that's 100 percent purely your thing, your life, your primary piece of learning from your life that's different from everybody else's. And you've got to do it and it, and I, that wouldn't have happened.

Laurin: hmm.

Catherine: I haven't run it yet. I'm starting in September. I'm terrified. I'm very excited. it's a very natural progression.

Laurin: yes, I think those two run together pretty often.

Catherine: Yeah,[: 00:34:00

Laurin: Certainly how I felt when I started this one, I got a kick from my guides that it was time to, to do this.

Catherine: yeah. And then you just know, and then it's almost like it's already done. You've just got to follow the path that's already laid out.

Laurin: Yeah, it sort of unfolds for you when it's, when you reach the point it's ready.

Catherine: that's right. Yeah,

Laurin: All right. So I want to just talk about a couple of other things that you have, you have in your, your toolkit of modalities and what is this humanistic psychology? Cause I've never heard of that before. So just tell us a little bit about what that is.

Cause I'm, you know, I just get curious. That's why I have this podcast. Right.

came in and added all sorts [: 00:35:00

And then after that, there came a point where people realized that, you know, Not everybody, this whole thing of going back to the past, analyzing trauma in order to find the roots of your damage and wounding. For a lot of people, that's very, very necessary and important, but for a lot of people, it's counterproductive.

I mean, it's a lot of work, it's a massive amount of work, it's expensive. And if you don't need it, it can be really depressing and not helpful. So they said, we feel like there must be another way. The other thing, a couple of other things about that, that they were challenging, one was that the, that the practitioner is the authority over the client or the patient, right, this whole idea of the patient who is then less than the practitioner.

omfortable with is this idea [: 00:36:00

So why not build from there? Why not listen to, why not let the client be the leader in the relationship and let it be a relationship rather than a subject object. authoritarian positioning and let it be building on strengths and let it be really connecting to the fact that we are all connected, that we all have the potential for a positive intent.

So how can we find that and [: 00:37:00

And there have been some incredible people along the way, Carl Rogers, you may have heard of. Amazing, amazing man. And a lot of the sort of hippie movement stuff. Came out of the whole humanistic psychology approach. Flower power you know, these celebrations, these festivals, all of these things that have kind of blossomed in the sixties.

ent on the master's degree in: 1996

Laurin: Mm

Catherine: And I didn't know what the techniques were called. So I was learning names for things, but I was learning new combinations, structures, ways of working with it. And I was developing the aspects of myself that would support me embodying the humanistic principles. In service to the wellness of my clients and the expansion of my clients and helping me understand the parts of myself that could potentially interfere.

So that was a very, very powerful grounding for me when I did that was an 18 month master's degree.

Laurin: Nice. Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. There's a, there's a system that my mother was involved with called appreciative inquiry she was doing, helping governments boards of directors all kinds

Catherine: That's an example of humanistic.

what's good. What's working. [: 00:39:00

You know? And so it sounds very similar. So obviously it's based on the same idea.

Catherine: Appreciative inquiry was, was one of the techniques that came out of the humanistic psychology movement. And it's wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. Yeah,

Laurin: yeah, I got exposed to it because she, she got in very early with David Cooper writer who's, who's kind of the, the, the dreamer of it and work directly with him. So I learned a lot about it in my thirties and forties and fifties.

Catherine: Fantastic. Lucky you.

Laurin: yes. Yeah. It's it's something that kind of, I, I, by osmosis, you know, I think I've brought that in.

re they can find you because [: 00:40:00

Catherine: Thank you. Yeah. I really recommend that people, if they sort of, if you resonate to something about my kind of vibe today it's a great idea to, to listen to my podcast, Truth and Transcendence, because on there you'll hear my solo episodes where I'm going into all sorts of different subjects. And also I have wonderful guests who come on and explore a lot of these things in a lot more depth.

The lady I mentioned, Julie Parker, who introduced me to Pellowah, she's been on as a guest. And some of my really important teachers have been on as guests. The man who developed the exegesis program has been on as a guest. Someone who used to run Mind Dynamics has been on as a guest. So I've had all these extraordinary people have been on and more will come on.

to just see my website, it's [: 00:41:00

Laurin: Yep. And we'll have links to both of those on, in the show notes as usual, so they can find you very easily. I just want to thank you. This has been so much fun to, to hear your experience and to learn about Pellowah and consider consciousness in a different, in a little bit different light for me, at least it's, it's expanded my understanding.

So I appreciate that a lot.

Catherine: Well, thank you so much for being so receptive. It's a delight to witness you to, you know, playing around with the ideas. It's wonderful. Thank you so much for having me on. It's been a wonderful way for me to complete my week.

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